Borgeson Steering Box?

Caman96 said:

I was informed today the Borgeson is manufactured in China. Another one bites the Dust!

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Maybe other stuff is why they have the Made in USA on areas of the site??

Today Turn One told me the Borgeson box case is made in China.

fancyTBI said:

Today Turn One told me that their box case is made in China.

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Me too. I did see some stuff online that says South Carolina. Maybe it’s assembled in S.C.

fancyTBI said:

Today Turn One told me that(the Borgeson) box case is made in China.

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I think you meant this…right?

Caman96 said:

I think you meant this…right?

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Corrected

A97obs said:

I know it’s no rack and pinion

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Rack and Pinion is not inherently "better" than the traditional recirculating-ball/parallelogram linkage. It is cheaper and more compact since there's no Pitman arm, idler arm, or center link; potentially lighter since the housing is almost always aluminum instead of cast iron of typical recirculating-ball steering gears.

There are more joints in the parallelogram linkage, each one a wear-point. That's a genuine downside.

The real problem with recirculating-ball steering gears is the same problem seen in the entire front suspension/steering design: In almost every application, it's been "optimized" by GM/Ford/Chrysler/AMC to provide isolation and fingertip-steering to satisfy non-enthusiasts and keep boneheads out of trouble, not sportscar-response that would make the vehicle more fun to drive.

A97obs said:

I called them and they said ‘ just loosen the jamb nut and clockwise the bolt 1/4” turn at a time . I did this and literally only got one 1/4” turn before solid resistance on the flat head. As if that’s as far as the adjuster would go on this new box. I Locked the jamb and still 1-1.5” of steering slop at the wheel and intermediate shaft

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So...again...EVERYBODY turns the second of two adjustments, and can't be bothered to check the first adjustment.

Yes, that's what they told you to do. Clearly, with just a quarter-turn from solid, it was not that far out of adjustment to begin with...

A97obs said:

which visually ends up being down at the boxes output shaft that shaft turns 1/2” -1” left and right before the center link or wheels even turn .

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So the actual problem is in the steering linkage, it wasn't the steering box at all.

If the steering box output shaft can move an inch before the wheels turn, you've got slop in the linkage. From the description, it sounds like the Pitman arm splines or joint is wiped-out or loose in the center link.

But I'd re-check EVERY joint on the steering linkage including both parts of the idler arm.

A97obs said:

For 500$$ these should have zero lash at the wheel . I have new solid U-joint shafts ttx tire rods ball joints pitman /idler everything is new prior to the box I made sure of that .

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You say that the steering box output shaft is turning, but the center link doesn't move. The Pitman arm is suspect. Worn splines, loose joint...something is wrong between the output shaft and the center link, and that's the Pitman arm.

Caman96 said:

I was informed today the Borgeson is manufactured in China. Another one bites the Dust!

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Wait huh? So it’s Chinese fuc**ry .. garbage made. Who was this information through. So what is the solution send it back buy a Oreillys reman

A97obs said:

Wait huh? So it’s Chinese fuc**ry .. garbage made. Who was this information through. So what is the solution send it back buy a Oreillys reman

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My current thought is:
1. Make adjustments per Service Manual.
If that doesn’t work:
Send original out for rebuild to people who know WTF they are doing for a rebuild.
Or:

97C1500TJ said:

I’m looking into replacing my steering box and want to know what y’all are running? I’m looking at the Borgeson box but am also open to the Redhead, Bluetooth and other reputable companies. I’m wondering how these boxes hold up compared to a junky reman and what y’all would recommend. For the amount of money, I only want to do it once. I’m also replacing the tie rods, drag link, pitman and idler arms before throwing it on the alignment rack. Thanks.

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Try a reman original big box store box first
Your gonna regret a borgeson for the money

Caman96 said:

Me too. I did see some stuff online that says South Carolina. Maybe it’s assembled in S.C.

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Borgeson is in SC, Travelers Rest specifically about 25 mins from me. I've been there, tried to get them to sponsor our club an then come to our annual show when they released the C10 boxes. They were not interested in either, lol.