Best approach for fixing inop R12 A/C system

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My DIY refrigerator compressor died after about 6 years of use. I replaced it with a Harbor Freight unit. 10 years or more later it is still going. I finally changed the oil in it, was starting to look a bit murky. No change in performance of it, it is still a loud, snappy, cracking, popping thing but it pulls a good deep vacuum. I do point a fan on it during long evacuations to help cool it.
 

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I think I've got the parts list nailed down. I know it's a big ask, but does anybody care to sanity-check it for me? Reminder: vehicle is a 1993 C3500 regular cab 7.4, still R12, I'm converting to R134a - so I've looked up all the parts on same vehicle but 1994 model.

From Rock:
Compressor GPD 7511351 (OE style R4 compressor, not scroll)
Condenser GPD 4544C (16"x28" core, parallel flow)
Orifice tube GPD 3411249 (black, .072, condenser location)
Accumulator GPD 1411357
Seals/O-rings GPD 1321277
Evaporator GPD 4711423
Suction/discharge line GPD 4811742
Liquid line GPD 4811885
High pressure switch GPD 1711334 (blue, should be 200psi on/430psi off)
Low pressure switch GPD 1711427
8oz PAG-150 GPD 8011252
Serp belt Gates K060970HD (looked up on 1993 not 1994)

amazon:
30ml bottle Nylog Blue
3 12oz cans Chemours R134a (no sealant, no dye) (I need a little extra for the other vehicles)

Total is $501.66 shipped from Rock using a discount code, and $42.19 from amazon, total $543.85

Haven't pulled the trigger yet...but ready to. Any input? Thanks!!!

Richard
 

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Personally I would want the 34" wide condenser core if you have a 34" wide radiator core in that truck. I would also use the Yellow 0.062" GM orifice tube listed for a 1999 Suburban. Does your 93 have the auto recirculation pressure switch on the condenser?
 

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You're a brave man to change that evaporator. I do believe the WHOLE dash has to come out to gain access to it. If you could get the line from the evap core to the accumulator off, then flush the core and leave it alone. Same for the liquid line. If it comes loose, just flush the old oil from it and use it, unless it's so corroded it's beyond use. Just trying to save you some time and bucks
 

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I was gonna say I replaced everything in mine, except 1 pressure switch an it was around $500. Not cheap for sure but worth it to know everything is clean and new.
 

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Personally I would want the 34" wide condenser core if you have a 34" wide radiator core in that truck. I would also use the Yellow 0.062" GM orifice tube listed for a 1999 Suburban. Does your 93 have the auto recirculation pressure switch on the condenser?
I recall you mentioning that condenser but I'm thinking it really shouldn't be necessary for a regular cab truck. I can absolutely see where you want all you can fit in there when you're cooling down a van or a Suburban (or even a crew cab.) My truck has the full height power steering cooler on the driver side and I'd rather not mess with trying to relocate and cause more issues, as it's currently sitting in front of the radiator core and I'm sure would need to move to run the wider condenser.

The orifice is an easy one to add of course, drop in the bucket cost-wise.

The switch is the puzzling thing to me. There's no switch or place for one on my condenser. Additionally, there's only 2 switches in my system. The low pressure switch on the accumulator, and the high pressure switch that is in the compressor. The hose manifold has the high side port on it. This is a different arrangement than my old '94 C2500LD which had that 3rd switch hanging off the hose manifold:

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You're a brave man to change that evaporator. I do believe the WHOLE dash has to come out to gain access to it. If you could get the line from the evap core to the accumulator off, then flush the core and leave it alone. Same for the liquid line. If it comes loose, just flush the old oil from it and use it, unless it's so corroded it's beyond use. Just trying to save you some time and bucks
You're right, the dash absolutely has to come out to change all that mess. However, my dash is totally destroyed and I have a replacement sitting on my worktable that needs to go in. It would be crazy for me to skip the chance to crack open the HVAC box and clean it out while I have the dash off. Moreso, to not replace the evaporator while I'm in there. I've had a few of these dashes out as well as HVAC boxes out and split open for cleaning. Not fun but not terrible. Crap that just reminded me I need to replace the recirculate actuator motor, another part for the list.

Key phrases from your reply: "if it comes loose" - there's a lot of corroded stuff under this hood. We don't really get rusty vehicles down here in SE TX but this truck looks like it may have sat in a field for several years so moisture from the ground attacked everything. Each time I work under the hood on on the suspension, I have to wonder about what fastener will seize or break next. I don't have much faith in the A/C parts coming loose without damage.

I could be wrong and I'm waiting for someone to chime in, I think the threads are different on the R12 vs. R134a stuff - SAE to metric - I think @Wildblue19 mentioned that. So while I'm changing other parts I don't want to get into a thread mismatch battle.

Richard
 

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Looks like you have it all figured out pretty well,looking forward to seeing how it turns out.To me the cost of having a new a/c system is not too bad and is money well spent.When you're done with this truck it's gonna be a nice one :waytogo:
 

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I recall you mentioning that condenser but I'm thinking it really shouldn't be necessary for a regular cab truck. I can absolutely see where you want all you can fit in there when you're cooling down a van or a Suburban (or even a crew cab.) My truck has the full height power steering cooler on the driver side and I'd rather not mess with trying to relocate and cause more issues, as it's currently sitting in front of the radiator core and I'm sure would need to move to run the wider condenser.

The orifice is an easy one to add of course, drop in the bucket cost-wise.

The switch is the puzzling thing to me. There's no switch or place for one on my condenser. Additionally, there's only 2 switches in my system. The low pressure switch on the accumulator, and the high pressure switch that is in the compressor. The hose manifold has the high side port on it. This is a different arrangement than my old '94 C2500LD which had that 3rd switch hanging off the hose manifold:

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You're right, the dash absolutely has to come out to change all that mess. However, my dash is totally destroyed and I have a replacement sitting on my worktable that needs to go in. It would be crazy for me to skip the chance to crack open the HVAC box and clean it out while I have the dash off. Moreso, to not replace the evaporator while I'm in there. I've had a few of these dashes out as well as HVAC boxes out and split open for cleaning. Not fun but not terrible. Crap that just reminded me I need to replace the recirculate actuator motor, another part for the list.

Key phrases from your reply: "if it comes loose" - there's a lot of corroded stuff under this hood. We don't really get rusty vehicles down here in SE TX but this truck looks like it may have sat in a field for several years so moisture from the ground attacked everything. Each time I work under the hood on on the suspension, I have to wonder about what fastener will seize or break next. I don't have much faith in the A/C parts coming loose without damage.

I could be wrong and I'm waiting for someone to chime in, I think the threads are different on the R12 vs. R134a stuff - SAE to metric - I think @Wildblue19 mentioned that. So while I'm changing other parts I don't want to get into a thread mismatch battle.

Richard
I was more just thinking Houston heat and humidity and getting the high side pressures as low as possible to help the R4 out.

I think the switch was a R134a change. Never seen it on a R12 truck. Well the early ones had the single pin auto-recirculate switch in the back of the compressor before GM added the recirculate button to the hvac controller.

I know I recently mentioned the R12 and R134a fitting size change myself. Thanks to aftermarket rear ac my 1997 Express has mixed fitting sizes. All the front stuff is Metric and the rear evaporator core is SAE.
 

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Looks like you have it all figured out pretty well,looking forward to seeing how it turns out.To me the cost of having a new a/c system is not too bad and is money well spent.When you're done with this truck it's gonna be a nice one :waytogo:
I'm not under any delusions that it'll be anything other than a collection of formerly-new parts hung on a carrying case of POS. :) I went out looking for a beater and I found one, only trouble is when I chose it I forgot I planned on using it for a daily. :anitoof:

Parts ordered. $540 with Rock once I added the recirculate actuator and the yellow orifice tube; I'll wait a couple days before I hit the button on the amazon order as I don't need them waking me up with the doorbell just yet. Now I just gotta start tearing everything down, but that'll have to wait until I've got some more time off. And, I've got front end parts coming for the black SS that it desperately needs.

Richard
 
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I'll wait a couple days before I hit the button on the amazon order as I don't need them waking me up with the doorbell just yet
Doesn't Amazon have a drop box nearby? I like my sleep too but, that's at night, other than my afternoon nap :rolleyes:
 
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