Pushrods still spinning after torquing down rocker arms

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Scooterwrench

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Why soak them in anything other than the oil you're gonna be running? Why contaminate the oil with other crap?
Best way to prime lifters is with the oil pump. Take an old dist.,grind the gear teeth off and drive it with a drill motor. Run the drill for a couple minutes while watching for oil to pump up and spill into the rocker pivots,rotate the engine 90deg and run it again for two complete revolutions of the motor. Guaranteed there will be nary an air bubble in the lifters when you fire it up.
 

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I prefer hydraulic fluid myself.
Im brain stuck at the assembly lube soaking.
I have never in my life heard of assembly lube soaking.
And now Im mind kinked and cant sleep because somewhere somebody convinced this guy to pre soak his lifters with assembly lube.
Brush fires, barbeques, or tight t shirts you arent gonna soak anything if its not liquid enough to do the job.
 

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Just as a point of info, the rockers in that engine are non-adjustable, so the bolts do simply torque down to spec. But following the factory service manual procedure is highly recommended and you can find the link to free downloads of them at the top of the Engine forum here, in the "sticky" posts.

Why were the lifters replaced? We can assume valvetrain noise, or did you actually have lifter failure? Miles on the engine?

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Engine miles 130k and one lifter collapsed. Can I just torque them down to 40ft lbs without turning the engine ? Is that what ur saying with non adjustable. Thanks
 

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Unless the valvetrain has been modified, there IS NO ADJUSTMENT for lifter preload.

Mark IV big-blocks had adjustable rockers just like small-blocks. Gen 5, 6, and 7 big-blocks have "net lash" rocker system. They're torqued to spec, and the geometry is worked-out so that it automatically achieves acceptable lifter preload.


You wasted eight hours. "Soaking" lifters does nothing useful.


Torque the rocker bolts to spec using a torque wrench, and walk away. There is no adjustment on the stock valvetrain system.

It is possible to convert to the adjustable-style valvetrain, the easiest way is via special rocker studs and nuts. I did this on the Vortec heads I ran on my boat for a few seasons.


I use ATF since it's thinner at room temp than most engine oil. Pumping them full of oil assures that the lifter can pass oil through to the pushrod seat, and allows me to verify the leakdown rate. HOWEVER, you then need to allow extra time to adjust the rockers, as the oil trapped in the lifter will need to bleed out as the lifter plunger gets preload. Failure to allow the bleed-down can result in the valves being forced open, and if the piston is at TDC, it's possible that the valve could be bent.

In the process of pumping them full of ATF, some will inevitably flow onto the side of the lifter...which is good. Make sure the lifter side has a film of lube when you drop it into the lifter bore.
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Some ATF or engine oil on the roller bearing of a roller-lifter would be useful. Don't install 'em dry.
When you said to just torque them down to I just use a torque wrench set to 40ft-lbs and then tighten them all. Or do I still need to turn the engine over and the tighten the correct cylinder rockers then continue with the next one etc. Not sure if you know what I mean. Tanks for all the info
 

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Is 40 ft/lbs the specified torque?

Look up the procedure in the service manual. Far as I know, you just torque 'em down...but I've been wrong before.
 

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Is 40 ft/lbs the specified torque?

Look up the procedure in the service manual. Far as I know, you just torque 'em down...but I've been wrong before.

I believe you torque them with the valves closed, so similar to setting preload.
 

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Do NOT try to fill hydraulic lifters ... but DO clean em out and reassemble (Do NOT mix parts between lifters) with only wd40 or kerosene ... But FIRST, watch Ellison's Very simple, foolproof & reliable method of setting Hydraulic lifters ... works with either HFT or HR ... Do NOT soak em, Do NOT fill em.

 
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