Gas for generator - storage use

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I don't do anything special and it's fine for a year. Last year was really hot and dry so I didn't mow much. Still had some gas left over this spring, that I bought at the start of spring last year. It was 90 octane ethanol free from QT. Anyways, mower ran fine.
 

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Propane can't go 'off' - which makes it the safest long term.
As my Suburban runs on it I use very little gasoline (cold start only) so have it around for a long time. What I found with ethanol free gasoline I moved from the previous car to the 'Burb was that it lasted about three to three and a half years before going stale enough to make cold starting in winter difficult.
Modern(ish) day sealed fuel tanks are pretty good at keeping gasoline fresh. Mixed (with 2T oil) fuel stored in an OilSafe jar for the strimmer bought early in the year will still be good for the following year.
NB. When gasoline goes stale it is cold starting that suffers. The elements in the fuel that give it octane/detonation resistance are not the most volatile. The lighter fractions for cold starting are.
 

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I don't do anything special and it's fine for a year. Last year was really hot and dry so I didn't mow much. Still had some gas left over this spring, that I bought at the start of spring last year. It was 90 octane ethanol free from QT. Anyways, mower ran fine.
Ethanol-free I believe is the key here. Being that the version available to me here is 92 and expensive, I went ahead and filled the cans with 87 from the Exxon, late last night, and ordered a bottle of Sta-bil 360 to throw in there. A little over $8 for a 10oz bottle, and 1oz treats 5 gallons, I think it'll be fine.

Propane can't go 'off' - which makes it the safest long term.
As my Suburban runs on it I use very little gasoline (cold start only) so have it around for a long time. What I found with ethanol free gasoline I moved from the previous car to the 'Burb was that it lasted about three to three and a half years before going stale enough to make cold starting in winter difficult.
Modern(ish) day sealed fuel tanks are pretty good at keeping gasoline fresh. Mixed (with 2T oil) fuel stored in an OilSafe jar for the strimmer bought early in the year will still be good for the following year.
NB. When gasoline goes stale it is cold starting that suffers. The elements in the fuel that give it octane/detonation resistance are not the most volatile. The lighter fractions for cold starting are.
I wonder how similar your gasoline is to ours here in the US. I'm not really too concerned about hard cold starts, the real concern I've got is damage from moisture absorption due to the ethanol content. The gas is probably pretty safe in the Jerry cans as long as they're full, not much room for air in there, but anything left in the generator's tank, as well as the lawn equipment and pressure washer, would probably be at risk. Southeast Texas is swamp humid almost all year-round.

Oh, and just a side-note, my weed whacker is 4 cycle, so I don't have any oil mix stuff around here.

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Ethanol-free I believe is the key here. Being that the version available to me here is 92 and expensive,

It's roughly $5/gallon here, but it's cheaper than buying it in cans at Home Depot, and a lot cheaper than having to do all the repairs. 5 gallons usually lasts me the whole "growing season", sometimes longer like last year.

It used to be about the cost of super unleaded and I would run it in my older cars. The cost was offset partially by better MPG.
 

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I wonder how similar your gasoline is to ours here in the US.
Similar but not identical - I think. I think we are at 5-10% ethanol on standard gasoline but the 'premium' higher octane fuels (eg Tesco Momentum) are ethanol free. I buy it for both the Suburban and strimmer for its longevity - and in the previous (turbo) car for its octane. In that car it was more expensive but better mpg made it cost effective and it just ran so much better.


I'm not really too concerned about hard cold starts, the real concern I've got is damage from moisture absorption due to the ethanol content. The gas is probably pretty safe in the Jerry cans as long as they're full, not much room for air in there,
Once the cap is on and sealed there can only be the moisture in the headspace before closing. Nothing more can enter.


but anything left in the generator's tank, as well as the lawn equipment and pressure washer, would probably be at risk. Southeast Texas is swamp humid almost all year-round.
The gasoline left in my strimmer is fine for a year or so - but the tank system is completely sealed and, NE Scotland aint particularly humid. If the tanks you mention are totally sealed then should be as per your Jerry cans - no? If they are vented and breathe - block the breathers?
(This was done in the early days of aviation apparently and led to the death of one of the pioneer aviators when he forgot to remove the whittled down matchstick he'd blocked his tank vent with prior to take-off).
That only leaves the carbs and lines and ethanol or not, draining the fuel from them is never a bad idea prior to storage.
So, ethanol free gasoline probably makes life easier, propane easier still (for the generator at least) - if you can overcome your aversion to it. Is the power loss that significant?


 

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The gasoline left in my strimmer is fine for a year or so - but the tank system is completely sealed and, NE Scotland aint particularly humid. If the tanks you mention are totally sealed then should be as per your Jerry cans - no? If they are vented and breathe - block the breathers?
(This was done in the early days of aviation apparently and led to the death of one of the pioneer aviators when he forgot to remove the whittled down matchstick he'd blocked his tank vent with prior to take-off).
That only leaves the carbs and lines and ethanol or not, draining the fuel from them is never a bad idea prior to storage.
The Jerry cans are sealed, 100%. It's the small engine stuff that isn't. Unsure on the newer things like the generator and pressure washer, but the lawnmower and weed whacker have vented caps. Assuming they all do as they'd need to draw in from atmosphere as the fuel depletes.

So, ethanol free gasoline probably makes life easier, propane easier still (for the generator at least) - if you can overcome your aversion to it. Is the power loss that significant?
Enough to notice in a pinch, I'd guess - 9500W/12500W peak on gasoline, vs. 8500W/11200W peak on propane. My intent is to use it as a "whole house backup" but within reason. It will be hooked to the house when needed via a generator socket on the breaker box, but we'll shut off breakers to rooms and appliances we don't need, to avoid accidentally overloading it.

Another reason for choosing to run gasoline instead of propane is availability in an emergency. Sure, I can store a bunch of either fuel, but once that runs out, say if it's been lights out for a week all around the area due to a massive storm or freeze - there's a whole lot more potential places with gasoline than propane. Might be a situation where one would have to drive some distance before finding a station with power that you could buy fuel at, but I feel chances are vastly higher you'd find a gas station before you'd find somewhere that could fill a large propane tank. Lots of places have those smaller rental (exchange) tanks for BBQ grills, though. If it really came down to it, we could siphon gas from one or two of the four vehicles currently taking up space over here..

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The questions pretty much come down to this - for semi-long-term storage of gasoline for generator use, would you:

1. Buy regular whatever from the station (E15 around here), or ethanol-free if it's reasonably available? (strike-thru because apparently the only ethanol-free around here is premium)

2. Whichever one you choose, would you add Sta-bil?

3. How long would you trust that choice to sit in new steel cans before you use it?

The only vehicle we have that runs regular is the dually, so I could periodically cycle the fuel through that truck in order to freshen the stored fuel in the cans. I have read that even modern ethanol-free with Sta-bil goes "off" sooner than some have expected, which is pretty much the reason for this post.

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For long term storage I use rec fuel Cost more but worth it. No alcohol in it. I also use sea foam. Stabil also works well
 

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The Jerry cans are sealed, 100%. It's the small engine stuff that isn't. Unsure on the newer things like the generator and pressure washer, but the lawnmower and weed whacker have vented caps. Assuming they all do as they'd need to draw in from atmosphere as the fuel depletes.
I'm surprised your weed whacker has a vented cap. A 2T on a Go-Ped here has a vented cap but all my strimmers and chain saws have sealed caps - to avoid spillage if inverted.
You can seal off a vented cap for storage with a bit of polythene under it.
Enough to notice in a pinch, I'd guess - 9500W/12500W peak on gasoline, vs. 8500W/11200W peak on propane. My intent is to use it as a "whole house backup" but within reason. It will be hooked to the house when needed via a generator socket on the breaker box, but we'll shut off breakers to rooms and appliances we don't need, to avoid accidentally overloading it.
Surprised again. I'm assuming a mixer type propane system. The general consensus is that on propane due to circa 4% loss of volumetric efficiency (air displaced with gaseous propane) and similar loss of power. That though, assumes the venturi in the mixer is adequately sized for gasoline operation and to allow for low speed pick-up they are often smaller (no sophisticated idle and pilot circuits that gasoline carbs have) and that usually impinges on top end power which ever fuel is in use. Only top end power though. Lower in the rpm range the torque will still be there.
Another reason for choosing to run gasoline instead of propane is availability in an emergency. Sure, I can store a bunch of either fuel, but once that runs out, say if it's been lights out for a week all around the area due to a massive storm or freeze - there's a whole lot more potential places with gasoline than propane. Might be a situation where one would have to drive some distance before finding a station with power that you could buy fuel at, but I feel chances are vastly higher you'd find a gas station before you'd find somewhere that could fill a large propane tank. Lots of places have those smaller rental (exchange) tanks for BBQ grills, though. If it really came down to it, we could siphon gas from one or two of the four vehicles currently taking up space over here..

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Different options available to you there with either fuel. From here I can't tell the nature of propane tank(s) you'd be using. Just to add though, if you were using pre-filled portable types, then they could possible be available in a power outage when gasoline couldn't be pumped. (You'd have to know if the generator draws liquid (does it have a vaporiser?) or gas from the tank. Portable pre-filled tanks tend to deliver in vapour form).
At a guess, you will pursue gasoline (there being some in other vehicles to syphon is a strong argument) and do what is necessary for the small engines' fuel systems to ensure their survival.
 

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I just had similar questions earlier this year when I filled my 300-gallon farm tank with 87 octane non-ethanol farm gas. I asked the co-op that sold me the gas what to do to make it last the longest and they said to not touch it for 12-15 months, then add a stabilizer to it. If you add it too early, it will counteract the stabilizers that are already incorporated and make the gas go bad faster. Also, if possible, wait for the winter blend until you fill up your long-term storage tanks. I can get over 3-years out of gasoline this way.
 

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I've had a generator in my race car trailer since 2016. It sits from October to April and only once in an April has it given me fits starting/running. Since then I've always kept a can of Berrymans fuel system cleaner on hand and most tanks it gets a splash. This with ethanol fuel has given me near zero issues surprisingly.
 
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